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Female Super Saiyans; Bra and Pan
Topic Started: Feb 28 2007, 08:20 PM (25,027 Views)
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One thing I really wanted to see from GT, was more involvment from the female characters. Why a child of Vegeta's was not a fighter still boggles my mind to this day. Seeing Pan help out a bit in the Baby saga was cool and all, but they left out one crucial factor. Super Saiyan. They could have given this to a female character in one way or another but they were too fixated on having Goku and Vegeta being the only characters who really stood a chance against anyone. Since Goten and Trunks were pretty much born with the ability to become a Super Saiyan, you would think it would have been the same for Bra and Pan.

My questions:
1. Would GT have been slightly better with more involvment from Bra and Pan?
2. What would it have been like to have a female Super Saiyan?
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My theory (and im not being sexist here in the slightest)....is that females lack the mental disaplin to attain the level of SSJ.

It seems that when every character that turned super saiyan for the first time, seemed to have but one thing on their mind.

I believe that part of the first transformation is blocking out all other background thoughts and focusing on a single objective.

Goku's was beating frieza, no matter the cost.
Vegeta's was surpassing Goku.
Gohan's was being able to defend the Earth and his mother/friends.

Now really this isnt sexist....but this could be a reason that no females turned super saiyan.
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I agree with Iain.
There's a reason why weightlifting business is a Man's playfield.

Guess females could go Ssj, every Saiyan born can, but it'll be way too hard and frankly not worth the effort.
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i think that pan couldn't become a super saiyan is because shes 3/4 human and 1/4 saiyan although for trunks goten and gohan being half saiyan they have found it eaisier to become super saiyans, probably cause they feel more emotion than saiyans do so it's easier for them to become angry as hell and release their inner strength, but i guess Iain's right, they feel to much emotion so they can't supress their anger enough to release all their inner strength
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oviously if you started this topic it wasnt gonna be directored towards sexism iain, anyway my opinion is that femate saiyans never aquired super saiyan hood is because they never had the direction or motivation to become one, each saiyan female didnt show as much spirt or directibility towards becoming the strongest person or stronger then her rival( if they even had one), Having something to fight for years was goku,gohan, and vegeta's motivation.

Goku- Earth, Family
Vegeta- Being stronger then Goku
Gohan- Earth, Family
Gohan/Goten- Were born with the power because of there fathers, i think
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Hey everyone I'm new, however. I am rich with dragonball knowledge and let me star by saing that although all of your arguements are interesting, there completely wrong!!. the only reason there were no female super saiyans is that the artist and creator Akira Toriyama's reason for never having any female Super Saiyans was that neither Pan nor Bra had the incentive to transform, and that he never drew female Super Saiyans because he couldn't figure out what they would look like. The DBGT Perfect File implied Pan had the potential to transform and might have become a type of Super Saiyan never seen before. Keep in mind that saiyans are a warrior race. So saiyan females fought just as much as the males, lets not forget Celipa(Fasha) from bardocks crew. And for all we know Females might have been stronger than the males like some species of animals, who knows. Therefor saiyan females wouldn't be weak and feble as some of you might think. So keep this in mind when stating reasons why there were no female super saiyans. Oh ya and lets not forget that they were wiped out by freeza. For all we know some of the legendary super saiyans of the past could have been female. well thats all for now.
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oook, i agree but i wouldnt follow any DBGT but i do belive that Akira woulldnt know how lol
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i think the femaless would look the same as the males if there were any, their hair would most likely be like like ss trunks after hyperbolic time chamber. i also doubt the females were stronger cause saiyans are ranked based on strength yet bardock was the leader of his group.
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I agree.... although when i picture some of the females hair would be more like Raditz and broly (normal,and his contained super saiyan hair style not his final form)
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which of the female saiyans have hair down to their knees, none only about trunks hair length that proves my hair theory XD
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rommie
Mar 7 2007, 08:46 PM
Hey everyone I'm new, however.  I am rich with dragonball knowledge and let me star by saing that although all of your arguements are interesting, there completely wrong!!. the only reason there were no female super saiyans is that the artist and creator Akira Toriyama's reason for never having any female Super Saiyans was that neither Pan nor Bra had the incentive to transform, and that he never drew female Super Saiyans because he couldn't figure out what they would look like. The DBGT Perfect File implied Pan had the potential to transform and might have become a type of Super Saiyan never seen before. Keep in mind that saiyans are a warrior race. So saiyan females fought just as much as the males, lets not forget Celipa(Fasha) from bardocks crew. And for all we know Females might have been stronger than the males like some species of animals, who knows.  Therefor saiyan females wouldn't be weak and feble as some of you might think.  So keep this in mind when stating reasons why there were no female super saiyans. Oh ya and lets not forget that they were wiped out by freeza. For all we know some of the legendary super saiyans of the past could have been female. well thats all for now.


I disagree. Mr. Toriyama never made Dragonball GT. He only made his manga as far as Dragonball Z which featured a four-year-old Pan and whatever-year-old Bra. Bra we never see fight, and Pan was never shown to be able to, nor implyed, to be able to turn SSj. The series was ending, the last things fans wanted to see was a new, one-shot, younger than the other "youngest to become SSj", 1/4 Saiya-jin character be just like everyone else and become a SSj.
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LOL UM...... thats good, buuuuut, have you ever seen the bardock movie? there's a scean near the end where bardock tries to warn a bunch of saiyans about there appending doom. Take a closer look at the females . . . .Some of them have long hair (slightly shorter than Radditz). And I did mencion Broly type hair.

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I disagree. Mr. Toriyama never made Dragonball GT. He only made his manga as far as Dragonball Z which featured a four-year-old Pan and whatever-year-old Bra. Bra we never see fight, and Pan was never shown to be able to, nor implyed. The series was ending, the last things fan wanted to see was a new, one-shot, 3/4s Saiya-jin character be just like everyone else and become a SSj.


lol thanks.....thats just my point about no incentive and couldn't figure out how they look. and the story of all dragonball sagas focus on main charactors like Goku and vegeta so your right about didnt want to see new characters.

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I don't see it that way. This was the final chapter Mr. Toriyama made (apart from the Kanzenban, years later). Sure, we're given some hints as to Pan's character, but none towards Bra's. I doubt he really cared if they could go SSj or not. He just wanted to finally end his 42 volume long series he wanted to end many, many times before.

So I doubt he "couldn't figure out what they'd look like," but simply didn't give a rat's behind.
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lol i was waiting for tyro to join this thread, hah i agree wiht tryo on how toriyamas part of GT and how he didnt care
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....now this topic is gettin really interesting *gets popcorn and watchs thread*
btw witch of the female saiyans that are alive have ratitz or broly hair.....exactly none of em do
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